[Astrocat]

I don't disagree with what you are saying at all

- Anthony, 17th of September

To put it bluntly, most people don't believe that free range farming is unethical, myself included.

- Anthony, 21st of September


Clearly - both phrases can't logically be right, so one must be wrong.

Or , have you completely changed your opinion about this over the last few days ?
And if so, then why ?

I am aware that the official 'free range' and 'organic' labels aren't what they should be

So, if you think that free range animal agriculture is already okay from an ethical perspective.... then what's your problem with the present status of free-range labelling in the UK ?

I think that the first step is to get it commonly accepted that battery farming is immoral, and therefore should be illegal. Once the premise is there, reform will be a lot easier.

With all due respect.... why bother ?

It seems to me that where reform is concerned it entirely doesn't matter what most Brits think regarding the legal status of battery farming.... the EU has said that they're going to be ruling it out by 2012 anyway, so any Brits who are against such a reform will just have to put up with it whether they like it or not.

If you want to hurry it up a bit, then I reckon that you'd get on far better lobbying the EU to bring the date forward, than you would by messing around speaking to members of the British public about it and trying to convince people that ethics and animal welfare matter when lots of them will stubbornly disagree, especially since you've said that you would intend to do that rather slowly.

Lots of people say that they find battery farming to be immoral.... but , as demonstrated by their typically active and mindful support of battery farming through buying eggs , flesh etc.... they certainly do not think that it is such an atrocity that it ought to be illegal.... instead, they commonly will say 'well, i think that it's immoral - but i want do do it, and that's my top priority here'