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Isn’t it fortunate then, that they all decided to campaign for causes in a multi-pupose manner, rather than being so singularly focussed ?
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I am not against campaigns against improving animal welfare standards at all, and would encourage these as much as possible. All I am saying is that they are outside the realms of this campaign.
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The difference as far as I can see it, is that Calum and I seem to agree that this is okay, while you think it is ok in your own case but take exception in my case, and appear not to want to explain why.
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I really don't know what you are asking.
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What evidence is there that what you are trying to achieve is any more worthwhile and achievable than what I am advocating and campaigning ?
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I didn't say that it was, all I am saying is that to maintain a cohesive food labelling campaign it can't become bogged down following a single ethical code, in my opinion.
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… and in doing so you choose to exclude and alienate somebody who is an active comsumerism campaigner for all purposes....
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I don't think that it should alienate you at all. If you support the principles of the campaign, then there shouldn't be a problem.
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I would have thought that a consumerism campaign would want to include active consumerist campaigners who campaign for all kinds of reasons, rather than being exclusionist about it.
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Absolutely. However, I feel as if you are trying to turn it into a vegan campaigning group. If I have interpreted wrongly, I am sorry.
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Your own campaign is an animal welfarist campaign – you said so, yourself….
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If I said that I was misleading. The campaign is a consumer information campaign. It represents the needs of animal welfarists, among other groups. That is not the same as campaigning directly on animal welfare issues. The confusion may have arisen because some of these discussions are just using my personal opinions as a vegetarian.
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Having already done several things which you had requested – reviewing a pub meal, posting a great recipe for vegan chocolate cake, and posting about why I regard organic food as being superior to non-organic food.
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That is brilliant stuff - exactly the kind of thing we are looking for. I even spent half an hour submitting your chocolate cake recipe to 40 odd social bookmarking sites to make it famous
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If you are able to validate the integrity , motives , purpose and worth of this campaign then I would be willing to return, but you continue not to do so…this is why I am not on board.
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The problem is that you have asked so many questions. If you could list them succinctly in a new thread, I will attempt to answer them.
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It is true though, that as part of that I do feel somewhat deterred by your choice to avidly campaign in favour of industrial animal exploitation and abuse being viewed as acceptable and ethically and morally meritable, just so long as it isn’t battery farmed animals involved…
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Well that is exactly my point that ethical issues are going to put some people off. It wasn't meant to be patronising.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the problem appears to be that you object to the campaign asking for products to be labelled as 'free-range' because you don't feel that this is an acceptable guarantee of improved animal welfare conditions.
However, there is no alternative standard/label that is so widely known. 'Free range' is a label that consumers and businesses can latch on to - it is a solid target. How much of an improvement that represents is debatable.
Please remember that we are talking about labelling here, not campaigning on the issue itself. If you personally aren't interested in something being labelled free range (and as a vegan it has no use to you), then you can just ignore it. However, there are millions of people in Britain who would be a lot happier to see a 'free-range eggs' label used on their food than not.
The campaign will also of course promote the use of other labelling standards, such as the Red Tractor from the Soil Association. If there is a particular standard that you favour that you believe promises good animal welfare standards then we can help to advertise that too.
I think that we could do with a full break down of all the different standards available in terms of farming. That would be very useful, if anyone reading this has a specialist knowledge fo the subject.
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Anyway, either way it’s cool you inspired me, anyway.  |
Glad I could help!