[Astrocat]

Absolutely. However, I feel as if you are trying to turn it into a vegan campaigning group. If I have interpreted wrongly, I am sorry.

Do you feel this way because you are unable to defend your position, and find it uncomfortable to continue advocating your stance with me around because of this being the case ?

(^-~) It's your campaign after all, you run it however you choose of course, and I'm busy organising my spicing up of VegansRock right now, mainly.... thus no campaign hijacking is listed in my upcoming diary, yo' but... all the same, i would have hoped you could support your position to some extent if you choose to have it to begin with, and certainly if you opt to continue to have it.

That is brilliant stuff - exactly the kind of thing we are looking for. I even spent half an hour submitting your chocolate cake recipe to 40 odd social bookmarking sites to make it famous

(^-^) heh, great -
it's a genuine home-spun recipe , so if possible then please try to credit at least the lovely lady who did most of the work, if not me also .... she's called Ann Watts and isn;t vegan herself, but she;s great and she veganed up a recipe from a cookery book, then we both tweaked it a little from there - it's all good !

The problem is that you have asked so many questions. If you could list them succinctly in a new thread, I will attempt to answer them.

okay. cool.

If I said that I was misleading. The campaign is a consumer information campaign. It represents the needs of animal welfarists, among other groups. That is not the same as campaigning directly on animal welfare issues. The confusion may have arisen because some of these discussions are just using my personal opinions as a vegetarian.

By 'campaign' i was maybe being rather unclear there, By that I just meant one campaign, rather than campaign as a plural.

I was referring to just the part of your campaign which this topic is about - the free range vegetarianism thing, specifically, and the whole battery eggs labelling issue which you have as a running theme.

Well that is exactly my point that ethical issues are going to put some people off.

I am saying that I am deterred by the lack of ethics apparent in your advocacy structure..... so, surely it isn't exactly your point.... is it not ?

However, there are millions of people in Britain who would be a lot happier to see a 'free-range eggs' label used on their food than not.

No doubt.

Then, which would you say is better ?

Say, 5 million people reluctantly eating non free-range eggs.... and then maybe a few hundred thousand of them eventually stopping after a few years

Or 8 million people happily scoffing down free range eggs (because many more people would be doing it in the first place if they were all so happy about it) , then 2 million more joining their ecstatically free-range product - devouring masses ?

So many people already like to think that animals are very happy, who are segregated, kept in captivity, fed unnatural bland repetetive food, who have their babies snatched away soon after birth and usually killed horribly, who are kept in a continual state of egg laying or milk production (often unnaturally boosted using methods such as cunning light cycling etc, and in most cases a cocktail of chemicals) , before usually having their necks snapped , being hit with a hammer or occasionally shot (although that's pricier than the hammer fractionally, so...) or being boiled to death (sometimes after being stunned a bit) ... it's not a pretty business. (O.o)

So... people go around declaring 'this is great, this is ethical, wonderfull bravo, to be commended, yes it is very acceptable stuff, people should be thrilled about it all because it is free range' is... well.... it's not so good, you know ?

I mean, all of the above happens on 'happy smiley old McDonalds free range farms' .... honestly.... I have lived for over 1/4 of a century on a small island farming community with beef production as a very main industry.... I lived on the outskirts of a farm with manic farmers occupying two sheds right next door.... it's nasty stuff, man.... free range or not, farming for human 'benefit' is just not very nice, I reckon.

I am enthused about everything which Calum has said I entirely agree, once again, with it all.

Re: airline food..... have you seen airline eggs ?
Seriously.... documentaries reckon that even with first class they're using weird microwave-easy-ready dehydrated egg stuff which is freaky in that they have to be really careful not to overcook it, or else it goes a scary shade of green......
Dude,if i wasn;t trying my damnedest to eat vegan food on aeroplanes if possible anyway, I woudl be after seeing that kind of stuff reported about.... the staff were very casual about it all, they reckoned it was standard and stuff, alarming in it's obviosuly freaky ways.... but not exceptionally so, it seemed.

I reckon that if possible, maybe the fruit platter would be the one to go for... surely nobody else would ask for FRUIT..... right ? (^-~)